Replacing Pretreatment UF with Media Filters?

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We have ultrafiltration (UF) in our water pretreatment.

Our feed water turbidity 0.54 NTU Borewell water.

We want to change the pretreatment from UF to media filtration because: 

Is there a way we can make the UF more efficient and cheaper or is it better to simply switch to media filtration?

Sorry for inconvenience 

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Coz of cost and operation ...

Coz of cost and operation media filtration is the best choice...  You can make it with sand,  green pebble and activated carbon for better results.... 

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Coz of cost and operation ...

Coz of cost and operation media filtration is the best choice...  You can make it with sand,  green pebble and activated carbon for better results.... 

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Ok, Send me ​your pre ​treatment  ​Complete Design,​ Brief ​Introduction, ​

01, Removal ​Rate, TSS, ​Micro, SDI ​expectation ​result after ​filtration, (​Raw conductivity ​25000) ​

Email: ch_​mohsan91@​hotmail.​com  ​

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Dear Mohsan, I can't help ...

Dear Mohsan,

I can't help with your UF but if you want to make the switch to media filtration then please get in touch. Our FilterClear system offers significant advantages over traditional dual media filtration: better filtrate quality, higher filtration rate and lower capital cost. This is achieved by using four media layers which re-stratify based on specific gravity after each backwash. Generally FilterClear does not require chemicals, either for flocculation or for cleaning, so operating costs are low too. We have several references for desalination applications, including a large plant at KAUST, Saudi Arabia. See http://www.bluewaterbio.com/filterclear/ for more information.

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Please send me you Pre Treatment System Brief Introduction on 

Email: ch_​mohsan91@​hotmail.​com  ​

Thanks

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One more question, do you ...

One more question, do you pre-treat the water by UF for RO? If that is the case then you cannot avoid UF membranes as SDI will be much higher to clog your RO Membranes if you bypass UF Membranes. 

 

In addition, DOW UF has an exceptional feature which others UF membrane manufactures have, that is Air Scouring, you can increase time of Air Scouring to eliminate the suspended particles accumulation and Air Scouring is also a Scheduled Task while it goes to Backwash after 12 hrs interval. 

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Thank Dr.

But we want to replace UF with media filtration,

Just let me know if you have Pre Treatment Media Filtration Design specification & Basics, 

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HI

I agree with Mr.Ahamed,

it is very important which type of  raw water you used, if surface water and sea water is  raw water used in your system ,the UF pretreatment was suitable choice.

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Hi Ali, what do you mean with ...

Hi Ali, what do you mean with maintenance costs? Do you mean frequently replacement of UF membranes/modules ? What is the application of UF? Is UF used as pre-treatment System for RO? Do you have any P&ID for review? What is the UF feed water and outlet water quality concerning turbidity, TSS & SDI? Do you have any UF projection from DOW?

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Thanks,

Yes ​UF for RO...... ​But  SDI ​is also in ​normal range. ​

only ​problem UF ​system is old & ​due not proper ​operation UF ​membrane Block, ​required whole ​ UF system ​rehabilitation. ​

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Hi Mohsan. Where are you ...

Hi Mohsan. Where are you located? I'll get a Dow representative to support and work through the issues. The Dow UF is exceptional at handling high TSS loads and will outperform media filtration in quality and total recovery, we just have to make sure the system is optimised and working as recommended. What TSS are you running? Presence of metals?

please contact me at scpitts@dow.com and I can help

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I still strongly recommend keeping with the UF - it is the standard and will have significant advantages over conventional media systems. When was the last CIP? Borehole often has high Iron and can block a UF without much improvement from backwashing. Then a CEB is necessary with Acid or if it is severe then a CIP with citric acid is highly recommended. I had a plant that hit 2.0 bar TMP from metals. 1 CIP and the TMP was back at 0.4 bar. Dow UF fibres are very chemically resistant so cleaning procedures can be harsh without long term damage to the fibres. 

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Thanks, 

SDI is in normal range,  not high load of TSS Borehole water ,

We only want to replace as all system need maintenance & UF membrane blocked 

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Hi Mohsan. Where are you ...

Hi Mohsan. Where are you located? I'll get a Dow representative to support and work through the issues. The Dow UF is exceptional at handling high TSS loads and will outperform media filtration in quality and total recovery, we just have to make sure the system is optimised and working as recommended. What TSS are you running? Presence of metals?

please contact me at scpitts@dow.com and I can help

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You can use AMAID 100micron ...

You can use AMAID 100micron disc filter before your existing UF plant to reduce load on UF.

 

Its proven technology at many sea water desalination plant. 

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http://ascelibrary.org/doi/abs ...

http://ascelibrary.org/doi/abs/10.1061/%28ASCE%290733-9372%281996%29122%3A1%2825%29

This link reports an experimental scale model proved success for turbid waters

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UF can function reasonably ...

UF can function reasonably well up to incoming turbidity of 10 NTU. Anything more & consistent, and you require pre-treatment.  There is so much hype around membrane filtration that people have started forgetting that 95% of surface drinking water is processed by conventional methods like effective media filtration.  

 

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Hi, The problem will come ...

Hi,

The problem will come down to an economic analysis.

Is the turbidity issue, a feed problem or filtrate problem?

If turbidity is a feed problem, then pre-treatment is the only solution if you retain UF.

If the turbidity is in the filtrate, then this is a filter maintenance problem, with failed membranes leaking.

On the question of changing to gravity media filters from UF, you need to know what final water turbidity is acceptable.  UF will provide a better filtrate if it is maintained, but UF is a more intensive and higher maintenance process.  An advantage of UF is the land area required is significantly less.  Media filters require a large surface area.

Media filters are simpler in terms of operation and maintenance, but are more sensitive to the chemical dosing systems.  If putting in media filters, ensure that you provide filter-to-waste after the backwash to ensure that any particles trapped in the media after backwash do not make it to the water supply.

The decision comes down to money and other constraints.

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There are several options ...

There are several options for enhancing UF performance and improving the economic situation.  If UF quality is not needed multimedia filtration may prove effective and economic in the long run.  You will not achieve the same levels of filtration with multimedia as you will with UF.  Envirogen is well versed in filtration systems of all types.  Envirogen Group has offices all over the world.  http://www.envirogengroup.com/contact-us-2/

Regards

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What g.p.m. Are the UF's ...

What g.p.m. Are the UF's producing? 

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Are you doing any ...

Are you doing any pre-treatment in front of the UF. Organics, in particular polymers will foul a UF quickly. Depending on the influent turbidity you may not have enough surface area, look to increase capacity of the UF, or perhpas add a small amount of ferric chloride to aid the filtration process.

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Hello jacob,

adding ferric chloride will cause iron deposit in the UF, this what we noticed in one of our plants

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Use MF before the UF. Easier ...

Use MF before the UF. Easier and cheaper  than media filter.

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In general, the use of ...

In general, the use of ultrafiltration is an excellent method of removing turbidity.  Ultrafiltration membranes are sensitive to the presence of incoming particles, and some pre-filtration may be a solution to consider, especially if colloids or large particles are present in the source water.  I would recommend you look into a media filter in front of the UF, to protect the membrane, but keep the UF in place.  The final decision would be based on the final requirement you have for the finished water.  As many others have already stated, not enough information is presented to give a specific solution to your issue, but having a membrane UF exposed to unfiltered source material is very likely to result in excessively high maintenance costs and poor filtration performance.  Another possibility is membrane failure, leakage or incomplete sealing of the system, resulting in poor quality (turbidity) of your finished water.  sam.mason2824@gmail.com.

 

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Dear Moshan Ali, Please ...

Dear Moshan Ali,

Please share

Inlet Water Characteristics (Is it Bore Well Water, Canal/River Water, Treated Wastewater for Recycling Purpose?)

Filtratioin Scheme you have, like what you have prior to UF (if you have pre-filtration Multimedia Filter+GAC Filter+Cartridge Filter Prior to UF?)

If you have any Chemical Sedimentation prior to Filtration Scheme?

 

Did you approach DOW for the Treatment Scheme or local vendor supplier provided this?

 

Filtration Systems if properly designed are well suited and works well with proper CEB and CIP requirements.

Your question is incomplete to recommend you any solution.

 

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Dear mohsan what is your ...

Dear mohsan

what is your ceb & cip frequency cycle? Whats is the turbidity in the intake? Is it an open intake or a pipe intake?

 

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You mention that turbidity is ...

You mention that turbidity is a problem, if it is a problem in that the influent turbidity is overwhelming the UF then you will need some sort of clarifier ahead of the all technologies regardless of whether they are UF or media filters. I doubt you have turbidity in your effluent after the UF's. If so that is another issue. We do make a granular media that has 3rd party validation for performance and is the best option for media filtration to replace UF. However all media filters have a limit on the influent turbidity they can handle so we need more information. please email me detailed information at sales@wateropolis.com

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Dear M. Mohsan Ali, We are ...

Dear M. Mohsan Ali,

We are a ​​France based ​​water treatment ​​company ​​providing ​​solutions for ​​the bottling ​​industries (​​visit http://​​www.ice-water-​​treatment.com/​​en/) over the ​​world. ​
We are ​familiar with Ultrafiltration processes as well as media filtration, but our experience on Dow UF modules is not that high. We ​could ​propose ​some ​process assesment of your water treatment and evaluate, based on your operation experience and water characteristics what are the best options for your filration needs. Feel free to ​​transmit me ​​your data, ​​which I would ​​forward to the ​​sales engineer ​​in charge with ​​your geographic ​​area. ​ ​
I hope that we talk soon.

Patrick ​Ballato - ​pballato@ice-​​water-​​engineering.​​com  

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